Question to all Christians here. If it was God’s Plan to manifest as His Own Son, and sacrifice Himself, as His Son, in order to ”save” man from a sinful nature, which He, God , Himself, created man with, then why is there no mention of this plan in the 4,000 years of Revelation covered in the Torah? Why doesn‘t God Reveal this Plan until the Christians announce it in their “scriptures”?
Mike Christain: It started right up front in the Torah and many other verses, too. Genesis, god shed blood for Adam to cover sin. God also, said he would send one to crush sin and Satan from a seed of the woman.
Wesley Daughtrey: Give the chapter and verse.
Mike Christain: Many many verses. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’”Leviticus 17:11 NKJV
Mike Christain: The sacrifices need to be clean and no blemish. Jesus was sinless.
Wesley Daughtrey: No man born of woman is sinless. Not even Jesus. Peace be upon him. God knows the sins of Jesus, and God forgives whomever He pleases. All men sin, and God has shown and granted us a way to forgiveness of our sins. It is the Purpose of Revelation that God sent to man through His Anointed Prophet to give man that way and path to avoid sin, and to seek forgiveness of sin, which God said that He will accept from man for his forgiveness.
Wesley Daughtrey: No blood sacrifice of a son-god was ever Revealed as a path to salvation, and God never Revealed such a thing as path of any Covenant that He ever made, in the Torah.
Mike Christain: Moses held up a staff ( cross like) and told the people to look on the Staff to be healed. Jesus said it was him. “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.”John 3:14-15.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. Sorry but you have not shown any proof of God Revealing Himself as a three-in-one God, in the Torah, or that God would manifest as His Own son in order to be sacrificed for the sins of man. All you have done is given your rather loose and dubious interpretation of Mosaic Laws of sacrifice given by God to the Israelites. The verses you cited from Leviticus referred to animal sacrifices to be made TO GOD for the atonement of sins, as it was prescribe by God FOR MAN TO DO, not God. Never did God ever Reveal that He would shed His Own Blood, or needed to do so, in order to accomplish the “salvation“ of His creature, man. Now, you show me where God made a blood sacrifice for Adam. There is no such thing. Please give chapter and verse that makes such a claim.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. John 13:14 and 15 do not refer to Jesus, Peace be upon him, and most definitely doesn’t refer to a “Son Of God”, as Moses plainly says the “Son Of Man”, which means ALL mankind.
Mike Christain: Read letter. Means jesus is talking. “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”John 3:14-17 NKJV
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Is John 3:16 really from Jesus?
Mike Christain: God shed blood for Adam. The first blood shedding. Genesis 3:21 God made garments of skin for Adam and Eve and clothed them. Skin is animal. Blood was shed
Wesley Daughtrey: That’s a stretch if there ever was one. Unless there is a verse that states that God slaughtered animals, God could just as easily made clothes of skin by saying “Be!” You are making assumptions based on your belief in “blood sacrifices”. This is circular reasoning, plain and simple, where you interpret a verse to justify your belief, basing your interpretation on that belief. Either God says He slaughtered animals to make skins, or He didn’t. God didnt say any such thing.
Mike Christain: Wesley Daughtrey tunic is skin of an animal. Would you like the verses about Jesse saying he would be cruified? How about the blood covenant? How about I lay down my life? I wonder what just meant by I would be crucified mean?.
Mike Christain: For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’”Leviticus 17:11 NKJV
Mike Christain: Jesus said you know it is me, you will die in your sins.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. Matthew 26:28 took place during the Passover meal, and Jesus was referring to the Night of Passover when God sent the plague, in Eqypt, that killed the first born of every house that did not have the blood of a sacrificed sheep painted over its doorway. When Jesus said this ”blood” was a “new“ covenant, he was RESTORING the true spirit and intent of the Mosaic Laws, not doing away with them. Even as he spoke these words, he, himself, was observing the meal of Passover as it was prescribed by Mosaic Law. If this meal was the end of the observance of The Law of Moses, Jesus would have said so, and he did not. He did not tell his followers, who were all observant Israelites, that they need not follow the Law anymore. So the mention of a “new“ Covenant, and “new” blood could not have meant the abandonment of the Law, but only a new UNDERSTANDING of The Law, which he, himself, said that he came to “fulfill”, and that it would last until Heaven, and Earth passed away, which they havent done yet. Jesus fulfilled the understanding and the true meaning of The Law, which ad been corrupted by the Pharisees and the Scribes. Furthermore, He could not have been talking about dying on the cross as the shedding of this “new blood” as he is still alive as he says this, and he doesnt mention any forthcoming “sacrifice“ by him in this regard.
Mike Christain: Still, what is atonement? Leviticus. ….?.????
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . Definition of atonement1 : reparation for an offense or injury : satisfaction a story of sin and atonement He wanted to find a way to make atonement for his sins.
Nisar Ahmed: A simple question can God walk on this planet he has created millions of sun like planet wich is 100 times bigger than our owne sun v cant even bear a small amount of heat how can v face the god on earth do this planet survive
Mike Christain: Can god walk on earth? All the time. Need verses?
Nisar Ahmed: How have u seen god walking is he so cheep
Mike Christain: What is this?For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’”Leviticus 17:11 NKJV
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. Definition of atonement1 : reparation for an offense or injury : satisfaction a story of sin and atonement He wanted to find a way to make atonement for his sins.
Nisar Ahmed: I cant understand bible was reveled to isa ibney maryam alhisalam when he was alive how this verses introduced into the bible
DAi Khalifah: A Pastor said; Jesus asked in turn past the third day he roused himself towards the audience And said ; Im Jesus Im hungry, theres fried fish?(didnt show the christians being fooled by the jews?) THATs the reason they bow to the jews (fear)Blood?
DAi Khalifah: KFC gud from fried fish
Adetunji Ilupeju: (1) God did not create man with a sinful nature. Which Bible are you reading?Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.(2) Nature of sin came into our first mother & father through Satan influenced disobedience of God (read Gen.3).
Nisar Ahmed: How can a baby b in sin when he is so innocent??? This statement is even out of shaitan mind
Adetunji Ilupeju: Nisar Ahmed: how an unborn baby inherits sin from his/her unholy fore-parents is a topic that is above- human. Or do you want to teach us how children inherit behaviour or genes in the womb?
Nisar Ahmed: How a baby is in sin does the baby in the womb doing sin go to mental hospital for a check up its a urgent requirements for u. who is that idiot taught u a baby in the womb is in sin when that baby cant even talk
Adetunji Ilupeju: Nisar Ahmed: Read, think, reason and learn! Nobody has said that the baby has sinned in the womb. No. However, if nobody teaches a toddler to tell lies or steal before he/she does, then the package/tendency to sin came into the child from somewhere. You are very wise, please teach us what to ascribe such behaviour in a toddler to?
Nisar Ahmed: Then how can u say baby is in sin
Adetunji Ilupeju: Nisar Ahmed: all descendants of Adam & Eve inherited the ability or gene of disobedience from them. It is not God that created them like that, it is something they received from Satan who inspired them to disobey God.It is because of this reason that Christ came to help us to overcome this Satanic implant of ability/tendency to sin in us.This is also the reason why the Lord Jesus Christ taught, you must be born again. The aim of the devil is to lead majority of mankind to hell. The plan of God/Jesus is to lead majority of mankind to Paradise.
Nisar Ahmed: Horrible r ur thoughts do u know what r u talking ur saying shaitan is greater than ALLAH
Adetunji Ilupeju: What you just wrote is your own words or thoughts, it is not part of the things I wrote.
Nisar Ahmed: Jesus thought what??? / when jesus said he is god show me from bible
Mike Christain: You would think after:Calling himself Yahweh Making wine out of water Healing lepersRaising people from the deadMultiplying fish and breadForgive sinSays he is everywhere Says he never changesClaiming to make the planetCursing a tree to dieWalking on water Saying he was around before Abraham Accepting worship all the time. Being called godSaid if you seen him you have seen god. Cast our demonsWhen they worshiped him He said he would die and rise againI would think he would say No, I am not god . What gave you that idea. “Islam only responce is corruption!
Nisar Ahmed: I think ur al gone mad were is ur original bible, show from that what rubbish have ur church add in bible a skin of animals??? Why he cant make skin??? How can jesus claim he will die & rises again when he was still alive when bible reveled ur church was there?????? . every prophet given a miracle to perform so prophet jesus peace b upon him also given
Adetunji Ilupeju: John 5:23 honour Me as you honour God.John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?John 10:30 I and my Father are one.John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.Even the Almighty God called the child to be born Jesus the Everlasting Father Isaiah 9:6. The Word of God cannot be broken.
Wesley Daughtrey: Adetunji Ilupeju. As is so typical of Christian misinterpretation of Scripture, your Bibles translation of Isaiah 9:6 has been misinterpretated to suit your theology, but is completely wrong. The proper translation of Isaiah 9:6 is to be found in the proper interpretation of The Tanakhs Isaiah 9:5 which is as follows:5.For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, the prince of peace.As you can see it the Tanakh, it is God, alone, who is known as the wondrous adviser (counselor), the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and not the child that is given. Even at that, the given child is not named Jesus, and there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that this child is Jesus. Chabad.org
Yeshayahu – Isaiah – Chapter 9
Wesley Daughtrey: Adetunji Ilupeju. Show me any verses in the Torah/Tanakh in which God declares that He is three persons, the Father, the son, and the holy ghost. Show me verses in the Torah/Tanakh where God declared that He would become His own son, and sacrifice Himself to remove the sins of man.
Mike Christain: No single verse except Elohim. We have the spirt of godWe have god walkingWe have god in heaven. You needs specific verses of those above?
Adetunji Ilupeju: Wesley Daughtrey: ti buttress what Mike Christain just wrote:(1) God spoke to Moses many times from the cloud over the mountain or upon the Tabernacle.(2) God visited, Adam & Eve, Father Abraham, Joshua in human form.(3) the Holy Spirit came upon Samson many times to do great tasks to deliver Israel from her oppressors.
بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِIn the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.الٓمٓAlif, Lam, Meem.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 1)ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُAllah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 2)نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَHe has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 3)مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ ٱلْفُرْقَانَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِـَٔايَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو ٱنتِقَامٍBefore, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Quran. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 4)هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُIt is He who forms you in the wombs however He wills. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 6) إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ٱصْطَفَىٰٓ ءَادَمَ وَنُوحًا وَءَالَ إِبْرَٰهِيمَ وَءَالَ عِمْرَٰنَ عَلَى ٱلْعَٰلَمِينَIndeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran over the worlds -(QS: ALI IMRAN – 33)ذُرِّيَّةً ۢ بَعْضُهَا مِن ۢ بَعْضٍ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌDescendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 34)إِذْ قَالَتِ ٱمْرَأَتُ عِمْرَٰنَ رَبِّ إِنِّى نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِى بَطْنِى مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىٓ ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْعَلِيمُ[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of Imran said, My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 35)The Truth Allah Read..
DAi Khalifah: AsSalam, To Christian WHAT do you understand about the word of God are you up there??Test IQ (Ok/ K. O by St. Paul)? Answer
DAi Khalifah: I help parse the problem of thinking And comparison. the logic of the verse of scriptureThe holy quraan judge the gospel And the Torah..?? Whos Kristen?
هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَٰتٌ مُّحْكَمَٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَٰبِهَٰتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُولُوا ٱلْأَلْبَٰبِIt is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord. And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 7)إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ ءَادَمَ ۖ خَلَقَهُۥ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُIndeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, Be, and he was.(QS: ALI IMRAN – 59)THE TRUE ALLAH 1. who is Allah The Almighty2. Who Is Ali- Imran?3. then what is the religion of Jesus4. Christian lol (Christian then new no by not the prophet but CRAZY)(YES/ NOT)??Clear or?
DAi Khalifah: Easy to Allah..read (Qs; Ali Imran-6)ALLAH is created (the sun, moon and all) isa is son or God?.(falsehood) #?From Allah or Satan? St Paul#Easy to me#
DAi Khalifah: Christian ??is falsehood in the bible quotation after coming out From the grave his found the man And said Im jesus Im hungry, theres fried fish ?(who wrote) the voice of christ the lord?? vanity
Mike Christain: Yes. Jesus never said Christian. He did say “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”John 10:18 KJVFor this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28Let’s accept what Jesus said then. I will be a jesus follower
Adetunji Ilupeju: God/ Jesus/ Holy Spirit does not force anyone to accept Him. If anyone believes, the Holy Trinity manifests to that person. He that does not believe or obey may never experience His manifestation. Those who believe testify of the change, joy, peace, visions, experiences, blessings they receive but this is very very difficult for the unbeliever to understand. You dont buy air ticket, you dont fly. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour Lord and God, then you will experience God in a different dimension, you will be set free from Satanic bondages and power of deliberate sinning. You will live the remaining part of your life in Gods joy and at the end enjoy eternal life of peace & joy (not of fire and torture).
Joe Hamilton: Wesley Daughtrey: Gmp777.net
What is Gods Master Plan? How & Why is Jesus Called The Lamb Who Was Slain…
Joe Hamilton: God was concerned with the HOW and WHY we should enter into sin, so that we might be saved. God knowingly, in His great loving wisdom, temporarily subjected mankind to this present world of sin, vanity and futility, for a time and a purpose, all part and parcel of His Master Plan! -(Rom 8:20 • Ecc 3:1). There was no other way to allow man to partake in His gracious and merciful act of salvation. Man must not have entered into sin as Satan entered into sin. We were tempted to sin, Satan was not. Satan had no excuse to sin, we did. Satan seemingly gave us REASON, a seemingly good EXCUSE to sin. Not that we should have sinned, because God warned us not to disobey His decree, but we did disobey and have suffered temporary consequences. Beings created as free-will agents, will eventually choose to sin. God foreknew that we would sin, either way, with or without temptation.So for God, HOW we would enter into sin, was His aim. When Lucifer and the Angels fell, there was no example or representation of Evil, or an Evil One to tempt them. Lucifer sinned all by Himself, without being tempted by others. There is no excuse and no one to blame for Lucifers sin, but Lucifer himself. No one beguiled Lucifer, tempting him to fall. Lucifer caused his own fall. Satan sinned being tempted by no one but himself -(Isa 14:12-17). As a result, Lucifer and other Fallen Angels, who sinned in the same way, can not be saved. We humans have fallen, but not as the Angels have fallen. We sinned having representation, example and warning of sin (the Tree) with an Evil Being (Satan) present in the garden, which tempted us into sin. God foreknew that one-day, man, who was created with a free-will, would eventually fall, (just like the Angels with free-will fell), all by themselves, without a tempter, just as Lucifer did. But God wisely, timely and purposefully intervened to prevent us from entering into sin, the same way as Lucifer did. Why?- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Joe Hamilton: – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -ROMANS 8:20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willinglybut by reason of Him, who had subjected the same in hope!- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -So why did God, purposely and wisely placed the Tree Of Knowledge into the Garden and allow Satan to tempt us into sin, ‘instead of’ allowing us to sin, by and through our own temptations?? So mankind could be saved. If God would have allowed us to enter into sin, without being tempted by another, WE, like Satan, would have also entered into sin, by being tempted by our own free-will desires and hence, could not have been saved. God so loved us, that He purposed to die for our sin and to take our punishments upon Himself before we were even created on the 6th day. This is how and why Jesus is called the, Lamb slain from the foundations of the world -(1Pe 1:19-20). Thank God Almighty that He is Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent; otherwise, our fate would have been eternally sealed, without any hope of salvation. Hence, God placed the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden of Eden, foreknowing that Satan would enter the Garden to tempt Adam and Eve! And God allowed Satan to do so, rightly according to His Master Plan and Purpose for all of mankind, past, present and future. Do you think God was somehow caught unaware and off-guard, not knowing of Satan’s scheme to tempt mankind? Scripture says, God knows the end from the beginning of ALL things. Satan, unknowingly played a pivotal role in fulfilling Gods Master Plan!- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -ISAIAH 46:9-10Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there isnone else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the endfrom the beginning and from ancient times, the things that are notyet done, saying, MY PLAN shall stand and I will do all that I please!- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Matt Mikael: Because it was a hoax.
DAi Khalifah: Bismillah..In me there is He, In Him I,,
DAi Khalifah: Hu
Petrus Josly: Because Passover is fulfill by Jesus Christ with His Holly blood
Mohd Alfitri: Passover.. Like isnt that Judaism? Jesus was a Jew. King of the Jews?
Petrus Josly: Torah Judaism is accomplished by gospel of Jesus Christ of Christianity
Wesley Daughtrey: Petrus Josly. Passover in not anything that is completed and over. Its an act of worship that commemorates Gods Mercy upon the Israelites when they were in bondage in Egypt. God told Moses to instruct the Israelites to paint the blood of a sacrificial animal above the doorway of their homes, and by doing so the Angel of Death would PASSOVER their homes. Any home that did not have the blood of the sacrificed animal painted over it doorway, would have the first born male child of that family die.The Passover observance is a thanksgiving to God for this great mercy. So how do you imagine that Jesus did away with this practice, or fulfilled it?
Petrus Josly: Judaism done that before Jesus Christ coming to exchange it and fulfill or accomplished the Judaism
Wesley Daughtrey: Petrus Josly. Jesus was a Israelite and followed Judaism all of his life. He never left it or told his followers to leave it. So why do you Christians try to tell us that Jesus ended it. Show me where Jesus told Other not to follow Judaism.
Wesley Daughtrey: Petrus Josly. Jesus, Peace be upon him, said that the Law of Moses would last until Heaven and Earth passed away, which they have not, and he said not one little bit of it would be changed or lost. So how do you imagine that when Jesus said that he came to fulfill, or accomplish The Law, that he meant that he would end it? Either youre interpretation of Jesus words are wrong, or Jesus is a liar. Im going with you being wrong.
Petrus Josly: Exodus 12:20
Mohd Alfitri: Di mana penyempurnaan yang anda maksudkan?
Petrus Josly: Jesus Christ is the son of God the lamps for the Passover
Petrus Josly: 1 Corinthians 5:7
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِمَّا ٱلْمَسِيحُ ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُۥ صِدِّيقَةٌ ۖ كَانَا يَأْكُلَانِ ٱلطَّعَامَ ۗ ٱنظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِ ثُمَّ ٱنظُرْ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَThe Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.(QS: AL-MA`IDAH – 75) لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَYou will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, We are Christians. That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.(QS: AL-MA`IDAH – 82)وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ تَرَىٰٓ أَعْيُنَهُمْ تَفِيضُ مِنَ ٱلدَّمْعِ مِمَّا عَرَفُوا مِنَ ٱلْحَقِّ ۖ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَآ ءَامَنَّا فَٱكْتُبْنَا مَعَ ٱلشَّٰهِدِينَAnd when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.(QS: AL-MA`IDAH – 83)The True Allah
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JESUS (PBUH) IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PROPHET AND THE MESSIAH ACCORDING TO BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN, SO HES NOT GOD! The woman said to Him (Jesus), Sir, I… perceive that You are a prophet. [John 4:19] So they said to the blind man again, What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes? And he said, He is a prophet. [John 9:17] And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. [Matthew 21:11] “Then fear came upon all, and they glorified God, saying, A great prophet has risen up among us; and, God has visited His people. [Luke 7:16] Peter is recorded saying “And He said to them, What things? So they said to Him, The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, [Luke 24:19] “Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world. [John 6:14] “they counted him (Jesus) as a prophet.” [Matthew 14:5] “they took Him (Jesus) for a prophet.” [Matthew 21:46] Jesus said to them, A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house. [Matthew 13:57] Jesus said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. [Quran 19:30] So it is established by this statement, they thought he was a prophet and He acknowledged this. “Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, Truly this is the Prophet. Others said, This is the Christ. [John 7:40-41] Now we have a distinction, Jesus is not just a prophet but the Messiah, of whom there is only one. The Quran confirms this so therefore the Quran cannot be a lie as so many Christians claim! Then he asked them, But who do you say I am? Peter replied, You are the Messiah sent from God! [Luke 9:20 kjv] The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” [John 4:25-26] The angels said, O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me. [Quran 3:45] The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [Quran 5:75] O people of the scripture (Jews and Christians), do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. [Quran 4:171] The Messiah (Jesus) would never disdain from being a servant of GOD, nor would the closest angels. Those who disdain from worshipping Him, and are too arrogant to submit, He will summon them all before Him. [Quran 4:172] Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: Do not over-praise me as the Christians over-praised Jesus the son of Mary. I am His slave, so say: Gods slave and messenger. [Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim] NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE OR THE QURAN DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS (PBUH) IS GOD, SO RESPECTFULLY, JESUS (PBUH) IS NOT GOD AND GOD IS NOT JESUS…See more
David Stinnette Sr.: The Old Testament prophesies the coming of Jesus.
Wesley Daughtrey: Yes. Jesus coming was foretold, but only as the Messiah of the Israelites, and not as a “begotten son” of God, or as God. There is no memtion of a sacrificial, son-God savior” that would remove the sins of mankind. Prove that there was.
William Burton: Wesley Daughtrey – Let me begin by correcting your inaccurate statements to give you a better understanding of the God of the Bible.1) YOU SAID: If it was God’s Plan to manifest as His Own Son, Answer: It was Gods plan in sending his only unique Son to this earth to pay for the sins of mankind and especially for those that believe.2) YOU SAID: and sacrifice Himself, as His Son, Answwer: The Son was not the Father and the Son volunteered to come to the earth and lay down His life for the sins of mankind out of a love for mankind who were helpless and by the law of God would face eternal punishment (separation) from God.3) YOU SAID: to ”save” man from a sinful nature, which He, God , Himself, created man with, Answer: Man was not created with a sinful nature. Adam and Eve who were first created had no sin nature and had never sinned. God did not create man with a sinful nature.4) YOU SAID: then why is there no mention of this plan in the 4,000 years of Revelation covered in the Torah? Answer: Torah can be the first five books of Moses called the Pentateuch or it can be all of the Tanach (Old Testament) referred to as the Torah. Since all the books of Tanach are Torah I can tell you tht the plan of God to redeem man with a sacior is found all through the Torah.(i.e. – failure to understand Gen. 3:15 is failure to recognize the plan of God in having the Son go to the cross and defeat Satans plan of destroying mankind by His vicarioius, sacrificial suffering and death on that cross.YOU SAID: Why doesn‘t God Reveal this Plan until the Christians announce it in their “scriptures”?Again, the plan of God is all through the Torah.(i.e. – read Isaiah 53 and understand who the person is here that can take the suffering of God as a guilt offering (atonement for sin) and because of this action produce offspring (salvation for multitues) (vs.10)Yet the Lord was [d]willingTo crush Him, [e]causing Him to suffer;If [f]He would give Himself as a guilt offering [an atonement for sin],He shall see His [spiritual] offspring,He shall prolong His days,And the will (good pleasure) of the Lord shall succeed and prosper in His hand.
William Burton: Wesley Daughtrey – Im always glad to explain the bible to an honest person that is seeking truth. If a person is just trying to find issues when they dont understand the facts they need to ask serious questions.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. 1. There is no Scriptural mention in the Torah of God having a “unique son”, or of creating such to save man from sin by letting himself be “sacrificed”. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word sacrifice. You will find that it cannot be applied to an All Powerful God. Man sacrifices to God. Who does an All Powerful God sacrifice to?! Show chapter and verse in the Torah where God declares that He has a “unique son” that will be sent to Earth to die for man’s sins. Unless the verses you cite have God‘s own Words, and He is making an explicit announcement to support your claim, then don’t bother. If your claims are true, they should be explicit proclamations by God, and not some iffy interpretation of verses that can be easily interpreted in other ways, which is what Christians typically do.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. 2. Again, show the chapter and verses in the Torah in which God plainly declares His nature to be anything other than a single entity. Show God declaring this “unique son” you claim.
William Burton: Wesley .. Exegete Genesis 3:15 for me. If you cant explain it just say so and I will help.
William Burton: Why does there have to be complete details and complete revelation of God in the Torah. Did God die and could not continue to reveal Himself in more specific and different ways?
William Burton: What we Christians do is explain the verses, since there can only be one explanation.
William Burton: Sacrifice can be an offering by anyone to any god. The biblical sacrifice in Torah was offered to YAHWEH. When Christ came he offered Himself a sacrifice for the sins of man.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. 3. Of course man never had a sinful nature, before or after the “fall”. Man cannot be anything other than what God created him to be. To say otherwise is to claim that there is some Power other than God’s. How could man have the power to corrupt himself, unless God gave him the ABILITY to be corrupted?!
William Burton: 11Day after day every priest stands to minister and to offer again and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this Priest (Christ Jesus) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. 13Since that time, He waits for His enemies to be made a footstool for His feet,…(Heb. 10:12)
William Burton: Man took on a sin nature as the bible teaches, when man sinned and was put out of the Garden of Eden. God said that in the day that thou eatest of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shall surely die. Man did not die phsically that day but man died spiritually to God because of his sin and took on a sin nature needing now to offer sacrifice to atone for (cover) his sin until the final sacrifice came (Christ) to put away mans sin once and for all
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. 4, Show me chapter and verses in the Torah where God declares His nature to be “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost” as you claim. Here again I want to see God’s Own Words making this declaration and not your Christian misinterpretations verses.
William Burton: …3Neither have I learned wisdom, Nor do I have the knowledge of the Holy One. 4Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or HIS SONS NAME ? Surely you know! 5Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.…(Prov. 30:4)
William Burton: …6But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain. 7I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 8Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.…Psalm 2:7
William Burton: 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all people [no one being able to stop it or escape its power], because they all sinned.16 Nor is the gift [of grace] like that which came through the one who sinned. For on the one hand the judgment [following the sin] resulted from one trespass and brought condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift resulted from many trespasses and brought justification [the release from sin’s penalty for those who believe]. 17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to [d]all men. 19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him. (Romans 5)
William Burton: Wesley .. Did you know Abraham walked and talked with a man that was Yahweh? ….. Gen. 18
William Burton: Wesley .. Did you know the Spirit of God is seen in creation in the beginning of the book of Genesis.?
William Burton: Wesley . Yahweh is called the Father in many places in the Tanach.Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
William Burton: Over time continual revelation expressed the relationship of God with man and God with the distinct character and attributes seen in the person of the Holy Spirit and in the theophanies (God the Son appearing as the angel of the Lord or as a man, over and over in the Tanach.)
William Burton: Gen. 3:15 – Versebyversecommentary.com
Genesis 3:15 | Bible Exposition Commentary
William Burton: The Son is seen in the theophanies in the Tanach. The person of the Holy Spirit is seen in the act of creation (brooding over the waters). God as a Father (3Neither have I learned wisdom, Nor do I have the knowledge of the Holy One. 4Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or HIS SONS NAME ? Surely you know! 5Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.…Prov. 30:4
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. All your explanations are merely Christian speculations. This is why I continue to ask you for God’s Own words. God is not a trickster, a prankster, nor is He a RIDDLER. God plainly speaks His Truth to mankind in all that He has Revealed which is solely for our benefit. All your esoteric mumble-jumbo is the results of looking for something that isn’t there, and forcing meanings that were never intended. Consider, the matters we are discussing are vital to the spiritual survival of mankind. So how do you imagine that God would make knowledge of these matters into the mysterious puzzle that you Christians have made it into. God’s words are plain and straightfoward, always meaning exactly what God means to say. God did not make the path to His Truth a trail of cookie crumbs that man had to pick through. You Christians jump around the Scriptures trying to connect dots that arent even there, concocting a story that never existed. Give me God’s Words, not your benighted misiterpretations.
William Burton: Actually Wesley, All my explanations are backed by the inerrant, infallible and inspired word of God that speak of Christ Jesus as the Son of God.He that rejecteth me (Jesus), and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. Prove it!
William Burton: On the contrary Wesley Christ spoke in parables beginning at a point in time to hide truths from men except for his disciples to whom He explained the parables.‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it (Matthew 13:10-17).From this point on in Jesus’ ministry, when He spoke in parables, He explained them only to His disciples. But those who had continually rejected His message were left in their spiritual blindness to wonder as to His meaning. He made a clear distinction between those who had been given “ears to hear” and those who persisted in unbelief—ever hearing, but never actually perceiving and “always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth” (2 Timothy 3:7). The disciples had been given the gift of spiritual discernment by which things of the spirit were made clear to them. Because they accepted truth from Jesus, they were given more and more truth. The same is true today of believers who have been given the gift of the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth (John 16:13). He has opened our eyes to the light of truth and our ears to the sweet words of eternal life.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. You Christians are the victims of what is called “inductive reasoning”. You start with a conclusion and then force all the facts to fit your conclusion. Instead, you need to use “deductive reasoning” which uses all the prevailing facts and evidence to to lead you to what is really The Truth.
William Burton: Wesley .. I get the truth from my Bible. If a person refuses to seek the LORD with all their heart they will not find HIM. I just present truth that a person might find what I have – eternal life through the blood of Christ. You can package Chrisitanity and how it is explained in any container you want but in the end it is your SOUL and your ETERNITY. … I dont save people. I share the message of the gospel (good news) – 1 Cor. 15:1-4 and it is in the hand of God to judge that persons heart as to whether he receives and eats Christ or not.52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. (John 6)
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. How do you imagine that God sent Knowledge into the world of man to benefit all men, and then made it into a “mystery”, so that only some men can understand it? God is not a prankster, or a riddler.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. And you completely misread everything that Jesus has said. You have stated with a false premise, and therefore you will always, and forever only get false results, which is your false beliefs.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. How do you understand Jesus words when he says “my blood” and “my flesh”? And that one must “take it into themselves”?
William Burton: Therefore, since we have now been justified [declared free of the guilt of sin] by His blood, [how much more certain is it that] we will be saved from the wrath of God through Him. (Romans 5:9)11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life [which it represents].’ (Lev. 17:11)
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. Romans is not from the Torah. So I will address Leviticus 17:11, which is. Here, if we take God at His Words, exactly as they are spoken, He tells us that blood is the life of flesh, that creatures which are made of flesh and blood, depend on the blood for life, and that without it, they will die. This is a fact that modern biology has proven to be true. Then God says that He has given it to you, man. WHAT has God given to man? God has given “blood” on an altar as a means for man to atone for his souls. It is plain that God was given to the Israelites the rite of animal sacrifice, the taking of animal life by the letting of their blood, as a means to make atonement for their souls, or as reparation for their sins. This rite is a GIFT from God, to man, as God surely doesn’t need the animals blood. By this rite, God has given man a means to demonstrate, and to physically enact, his inner repentance of his trangressions, and God is covenanting with them that He will accept these acts from them as signs of repentance, and as a path to repentance, which is spiritual growth for man, and the true Wish of God for man. There is no magic in the spelling of blood. It is the inner spiritual growth of man that is enacted in the rites that is important. Jesus, Peace be upon him, was sent as a Messager from God to tell, and show the Israelites this true meaning of the Law and the rites in the Law, so that they would benefit from them as God had intended. Under the Pharisees these rites were emptied of the spiritual meaning and intent with which they were gifted. It was Jesus task to restore, and fulfill this original meaning and intent of The Law, and not to do away with, or abandon it. The proof of this is that Jesus said that The Law would last until Heaven and Earth had passed away, which they have not, and that not one bit of it would be altered. It is submission to God in His Law that is the path to success for man, and not any ”blood sacrifice” of a “Son-God”.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. Christians are so far astray of The Truth.
William Burton: Wesley .. We Christians have the rest of the story and you are locked in time.So what group of Jew/Muslim do you claim to be part of since you appear to be Muslim that accepts only the first five books of the Tanach which can be called Torah?
William Burton: So. overall I like your exegesis of Lev. 17:11 and the parts I dont like I can let go.What I dont understand is that you take certain sayings of Christ and leave behind hundreds of sayings of Christ, discounting them as not being of God.
Mike Christain: Jesus said is the truth. He is the way and the life. Jesus said would die. Jesus set a new blood covenant Islam, abrogates all the prophets and what Jesus said. Not a single companion wrote they heard or saw Mohamed with a Quran till his death by hundred of years later.
Nisar Ahmed: Haaaa r u nut who gave this information. Dont say again or all will laughing at u what kind of a dump u r. Have some coman sense have some knowledge then comment
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. We have already argued your point which is moot, and meaningless. If there is no record of The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be upon him, having been said to be seen with a copy of The Qur’an, it is not proof that he didn’t have one. As I have already explained, he was illiterate and would not have been able to read. So why would he carry a copy. More importantly, The Prophet had memorized The Qur’an, and recited it daily in his constant praying.
Mike Christain: Name someone who wrote they saw Mohamed with a Quran a book or verbal. Still no answer.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . If no one saw The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be upon him, with a copy of the Qur’an, what does that mean in your mind, because it means absolutely nothing to me.
Mike Christain: That sums it up. Great miracles, science , poetry, wonders , the final message of god, great tears of joy, millions of people find him. They had books, libraries, he had a secretary, companions, historians….See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. It amazes me how Christians gloss over the fact that Jesus pronouncement of being the Truth, the way, and the life is not equivalent to saying he is God, or the son of God, In fact the rest of that statement by Jesus is that no man cometh onto the Father except BY him. So obviously Jesus is not God, but only the Messenger Of God, who brings the way that leads to God.
Mike Christain: Only god is the truth. Only god is the way Only god is the life.
Wesley Daughtrey: So God is the way to Himself?! That makes no sense. God CREATES life. He isn’t life. Life is something that God gives and take as He pleases. Jesus is saying that he brings Truth.
Mike Christain: Jesus says he is the truth. Big difference.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . Jesus is saying that he is true to his words which were Revealed to him from God. Jesus is a Prophet.
Mike Christain: Jesus was it. He did not bring it.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . TRUTHtro͞oTH/Submitnoun…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . Now explain to me how Jesus was anyone of these definitions.
Mike Christain: Jesus said it. John 14:6. Only way to heaven.
Mike Christain: Still nothing in history about Mohamed with a verbal or written Quran.
Nisar Ahmed: What a joke I think ur not in this planet were r from??????? Same can b applied to ur belief
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed help me. Help Islam. Who knew Mohammad and wrote they saw him with a Quran ( written or verbal). …See more
Nisar Ahmed: I have given enough evidence but u still struck on the same needle who is a dump head??? Who told u which donkey gave this information the same question applye for u too who saw what is the evidence but v love prophet jesus peace b upon him more than u. I cant stop laughing for ur information u got is there r people like u still in socity go to madina u can see his tomb
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed all I heard is google. If you answered, or then do a print screen an show me I missed it.
Nisar Ahmed: Muhammad in the QuranThe name Muhammad is mentioned four times in the Quran and the name Ahmad (another variant of the name of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad) is mentioned one time. However, Muhammad is also referred to with various titles such …See more
William Burton: Needing to come to Christ to get to God destroys every religion since they think they can go directly to God while the Bible teaches that there is only ONE mediator between man and God ……. Christ Jesus.
Wesley Daughtrey: Good luck with that. You going to need it.
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain. Yet The Qur’an DOES exist. So, again, what is your point?!
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed if you don’t like the niv, message, or other translations, go back to the codex online. Need a link. ?
Mike Christain: Only Islam talked of the injerl. Ask allah where it is
Nisar Ahmed: ALLAH gave it us but u lost them introduced new idias into it so he sent final revaluation al Quran
Mike Christain: The same allah who let the goat eat the Quran. The same allah that allowed men to edit the Quran
Mike Christain: allah made a bad choice about his scriptures and lost them. How often does he fail?
Nisar Ahmed: Definitely ur out of mind what r u talking rubbish, I cant stop laughing for ur knowledge. Wich got eat the Quran when, have u read the Quran still I cant stop laughing
Nisar Ahmed: U even dint bring a single error from Quran dont try to hide ur faults its open every one knows ur so called bible is no more a guidance book its a bunch of lies, misguiding innocent people
Mike Christain: Quran says not no can alter his word. Then it says stands in the gospels. Either allah lost his word like the injeel.
Mike Christain: Lost surahs
Mike Christain: Where is the stoning Surah.
Mike Christain: Some Qurans don’t even have Mohamed them.
Nisar Ahmed: ALLHA sayes about Quran Again the same stupid question have u read the Arabic Quran read it then bring ur point what stoning Were is ur original ingil can god or son of god b killed by a coman man
Mike Christain: So allah only lost some of his words?
Nisar Ahmed: ALLHA never lose his words all previous books send to that particular people or nation made alternate. Quran is intact no man can make error in it
Mike Christain: What Quran dated 1000ad or old Matches the main hafs Quran of today. Pick one.
Nisar Ahmed: And again dont ask the same stupid question first answer my question
Nisar Ahmed: Read the Arabic Quran v dont rely on translation. Every ones translation is different from one another so every day 5 times a day v pray in Arabic not in other language v recite without seeing entire Quran through out the world
Nisar Ahmed: Bring the original bible can god b killed by a coman man
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed the ot do wear out. We have Dead Sea scrolls 200 bc. Plus 25000 manuscripts to pull from
Mike Christain: Which Quran matches the one of today.
Nisar Ahmed: Bring the original bible dont say this that ingil without a single error wich was sent to isa ibney maryam alhisalam, not received editions new editions, can a god b killed if he is been killed how can he b a god killed by his wone creation
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed I answered about the original bible Are you okay with these Qurans above. ?
Nisar Ahmed: U dint answer my simple question & u dint understand my answer in simple English
Mike Christain: The original bible? The Bible is like world history and world history was written written over 5000 plus years. Written by many eye witness No one except Islam talked of an injeel. …See more
Mike Christain: Perfect and unchanged Quran. Not one Quran of today matches the others of he past . Some don’t have Mohammad in them. Some have more or less Surahs. Some have diacritical marks. Some have vowels …See more
Wesley Daughtrey: World history?! Thats a laugh.. Your Bible is the history of the Israelites, not the world. The world is a lot bigger than the Israelites, and the world was not holding its breath waiting for them or Jesus, Peace be upon him. Get over yourself. LOL!
Mike Christain: Wesley Daughtrey you are up early. The Bible does not have all of the world history in it. It has the history of that part of the world but written over thousands of years
Mike Christain: Islam history and geography don’t add up. Islam claims Mecca was the first place of worship where Adam came down and Abraham built the kabba …See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . Dream on. Besides, who died and made you the foremost expert on all things Qur’an, and Islam?! You have zero credibility.
Nisar Ahmed: Again a un guided mishef baby asking a stupid question if u dont know anything why r u bend on prove what u cant answer me my question bhekhuf ghadey ullu k patey nalayk,
Nisar Ahmed: He is creating his wone question he even dont know what is his religion & what book is he following
Mike Christain: Wesley Daughtrey I don’t claim to be an expert on Islam. Where is this double valley at Mecca? Try GOOgle maps and let’s find it.
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed show me where this double valley is in Mecca ? Show me natural fruit trees, streams. No expert needed. Maybe Islam abrogated the landscape and move this double valley. I do have a picture of this double valley. It is petra.
Nisar Ahmed: What & were r the dates coming from. From ur backyards, mecca is the center of the earth. Search Google & its sourounded by all side mountains its in the middle of the mountains its a vally. U can get every type of fruits from around the world I think ur little bit have brain to search the Google
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . Explain what you mean by the double valley of Makkah.
Mike Christain: In a Valley and Parallel Valley-Where is this?Mountains overlooking the Kaaba.-What mountains?Has a Stream-Where is the stream?…See more
Nisar Ahmed: It has date trees its sand who told above definition I already told ur a gone case from were do u bring this stuff have some research other wise u will b in idiots list so answer my question do u consider ur so called god or son of god is powerless who give life to dead people, vision to blind, cure to leporsi that prophet, could not save himself how??? Who is more powerful coman man or ur God
Mike Christain: Find this with google. In a Valley and Parallel Valley Ibn Ishaq; Al Bukhari 2:265, 2:685, 3:891, 2:815, 2:820, 4: 227…See more
Nisar Ahmed: Answer me my question
Wesley Daughtrey: Mike Christain . What is your point? What are you trying to prove? Anything?
Nisar Ahmed: Sahih al-Bukhari Book 60 Hadith 265ENGLISHNarrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:…See more
Nisar Ahmed: Were do u get u said hadidth why r u trying to spread false mesage answer my question
Nisar Ahmed: Who is ibney ishaq
Mike Christain: My point is I don’t think Mecca was the place of Mohammad. Petra is. The prophet also had daily contact with people 600 miles to the north. How did he have daily contact with these people if he was in Mecca.
Mike Christain: Here is petra with a double valley describing The place of worship.
Nisar Ahmed: Is ur God power less
Nisar Ahmed: He is out of his mind bringing hadis wich doesnt exists trying to prove his false imagination as true he even dont know anything about his religion
Mike Christain: Nisar Ahmed which is false?I will correct it or retract and say I am sorry. I have Been wrong before. Ask my wife.
Nisar Ahmed: U r a gone case u ask ur wife
William Burton: Wesley . I hope you will realize some day that no Muslim has the right to pick and choose from the bible the parts he likes and discard the rest. Especially when you do that to what Christ Jesus himself said.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. When one goes dumpster diving they must always pick and choose the eatable parts.
William Burton: One point would be that the Quran is not an ancient book nor is Islam an ancient religion. While Jesus Christ taught the need for two witness the Muslim only has one man coming out of a cave with no witnesses and claiming an angel spoke to him while all the bible prophets got their revealation they wrote DIRECTLY from Yahweh.Wesley .. You really need to read all the sayings of Christ.
William Burton: Wesley that is not fair analogy of the Bible.
Wesley Daughtrey: Perhaps not, but the point and the truth of the metaphor stands.
William Burton: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: It is my fervent prayer that He does! May Allah make it so, Ameen.
Wesley Daughtrey: On The Day Of Judgement, God will make it plain to all exactly who among us added to, and subtracted from His Words.
William Burton: All of the bible is the word of God.
Wesley Daughtrey: Again, good luck with that.
William Burton: Jesus said:I am the resurrection and the lifeI give unto them eternal lifeBefore Abraham was I AMIf you have seen me you have seen the FatherI and the Father are ONE.The list goes on and on not to mention the truth that Jesus created all things for himself and holds every atom in place. That Jesus is the WORD that was face to face with God the Father that took on flesh.
Nisar Ahmed: 50,000 Errors and Biblical contradictionsIf the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions? …See more
Nisar Ahmed: Here r some but the list goes on
William Burton: Nisar Ahmed – The bible sure is a confusing book to lost souls. At some point in time I probably have explained all of these alleged discrepencies to give help to people searching for the truth. I just dont see you searching for truth.
Nisar Ahmed: What truth
William Burton: I find some just get a list of supposed discrepencies off of the internet and shotgun them online.The truth of Jesus Christ as the Son of God that had to come to this earth and be punished and die for your sins so you do not have to continue as a religious and lost person like I was.
Nisar Ahmed: U say son of god who is more powerful is killed by a powerless people like u & me then how come he is god killed???? I dint understand & why do he has to die for ur sin he can forgive there is no need to die one who can give life to dead how can he b …See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Yes. I am well aware that you Christians will, and have misinterpreted the Words Of God in a Most shameless, and ignorant fashion. I could, and have, argued everyone of those verse with Christians just like you, and they were all found wanting in reason and in truth.
William Burton: Wesley .. Since bible discernment is only by those that have the Spirit of God in them by salvation (accepting that Jesus is God who died for their sins) – every Christian that is born of God (has the Spirit of God) knows you cannot have any spiritual. discernment regarding bible truth as being given by God. You, sir, are what the bible calls the natural man (unregenerate – lacking the Spirit of God) 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Romans 8:9)10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Romans 8:10,11)
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. You have drunk the Kool-Aid, my friend. Everything you have cited is from Romans, which is merely a “Christian” diatribe. This is why I continually ask you for verification from the Torah. All of your Christian writings, outside of the true words of Jesus, are only propaganda to an erroneous belief.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. How don’t you understand that there is nothing that is that is not by the Power and Permission of All Mighty God? If anything exists, it very existence is proof beyond any doubt that God requires it to be to fulfill His Intent and Purpose. Can you understand this? So, please forgiven when I say your talk of a “natural” man, as oppose to a spiritually endowed one is a crock of shit. Your claim to “Christian” specialness is also bogus. Every soul that has exist in the past, that is living today, and that will live in the future are all required by God to fulfill His Plan for this creation. God is not frivolous, or wastefull. So how do you imagine that there is anything that doesnt serve His Purpose? There is most definitely a spiritual purpose for mankind and it is definitely defined by man’s True Relationship with God, His Creator. However, you Christians couldn’t be more wrong about what that Purpose is, and what that Relatinship is.
William Burton: Wesley .. I dont deal in Crocks – I had a pr. once and a Russian Colonel of the KGB wanted them so I gave them up for a pair of sandals.We Chriistians dont deny the person and work and all the truth of Christ Jesus found in HIS BOOK the bible. We understand Bible truth and the plan of God as far as the future.
William Burton: P.S. .. and I hate sandals
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. I‘m quite sure that you don’t deny Jesus words. The problem is that you don’t UNDERSTAND his words. 🙂
William Burton: Weseley . when Jesus implied ……… I will resurrect myself from the deadWhat did Jesus really mean?
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton, Give the chapter and verse please.
William Burton: Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. John 2:19
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. Really??!! Did you dislocate any joints stretching that hard?! Ok! So why didn’t Jesus just say, “I will died and I will come back to life three days later.” See how easily that rolls off the tongue. No fuss, on muss. No esoteric mystery to figure out. Was Jesus a riddler too, as you seem to think that God is.
William Burton: LOL .. ROFL ……….. no answer I see .. why not just bow to the truth that has just been revealed to you ….. or, you will bow in a coming day as a person that rejected the salvation of Yahweh by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Wesley Daughtrey: I’ll take my chances, which from where I’m standing, doesn’t pose any risk at. Jesus never says that he will die and comeback to life in three days. Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”. Not even close.
Wesley Daughtrey: William C. Burton. When Jesus spoke those words, he was standing in the Temple, after having driven out the moneylenders (By the way, wrath is a sin. So much for the sinless Jesus.). So obviously Jesus is talking about the Temple he is in and not his body.
William Burton: You should try Paltalk where you can use a mic and have verbal discussions. If you ever decide to load it let me know and I will give you my sign in name so we can have civil discussion with equal mic time.
William Burton: Later
Wesley Daughtrey: Perhaps. However I write much better than I speak, and prefer to write.
Mike Christain: You do write nice. I wish I wrote that well.
Micah Samuel: Jesus revealed it in Old Testament, but Muslims are ignorant to learn it.
Matt Mikael: Adam and Eve have no original sin. Came this guy a butcher of Jerusalem name Saurus suddenly changed his name to Paul. He put original sin on Adam and Eve. Suddenly , everybody a sinner. Then he put up a Salvation story, scarifice Jesus the prophet of the Jews at the cross and viola all our sins are cleansed.Who this butcher think he is?
Matt Mikael: When the prophet met Arch Angel Gibrael alone in a Cave for the first time , it is natural to think that he met a Demon.
Nisar Ahmed: Every person who meet a strange person or thing think the same
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel. So what is your point?! The truly demon-possessed are the ones who don’t know that they maybe, or who don’t admit the possibility of being possessed. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. If someone has the ability of self examination and self awareness so that they can know when they are being attacked by evil forces then they are better able to guard against them and fight against them. This ability is a Gift from God.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Jesus never asked Abraham to sacrifice his son!!! Give the verses that say such a thing.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyGod is Jesus. Jesus is God. Asked Abraham
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyAnd later Mohammad inspire by the demons created a new satanic scriptures which you now read
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyVerily! Those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create even a fly. Quran 22:73…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Give the verses where God says that He is Jesus, or where Jesus says that he is God.
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Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . And only give me verse from the Torah, and not from the Testaments.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyGod said to him, And I will put hostility between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring’s heel. (Genesis 3:15).
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Your Testaments are only Christian propaganda, and cannot be considered proof of itself. Give me verse form the Torah that verify your Christian claims.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyIsaiah 9:6For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyLook please cross check with the Torah the Jewish book.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Genesis 3:15 doesnt make any reference to Jesus by name or nature. There is absolutely no mention of a sacrificial son of God.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel Chabad.org
Yeshayahu – Isaiah – Chapter 9
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyIsaiah 53:5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
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Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Isaiah 9:5 in the Tanakh reads: 5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, the prince of peace. הכִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִי־עַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם:
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Obviously your Bible mistranslated The Tanakh.
Micah Samuel: Wesley Daughtrey???? what a liar you are just like your father the devil and his prophet.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyJohn 8:44…See more
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Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . I gave you the Jewish interpretation of THEIR Scriptures, and it is you who are calling it a lie! Now why in the world would I believe your translation over theirs?! Especially since Christians are notorious for spinning Scripture to suit their twisted beliefs.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Your “Christian” scriptures, other than the words of Jesus, himself, are not to be trusted, because any pronouncement by Christians are no more than propaganda to their false beliefs, spouted by some poor soul who has drunk the Kool-Aid of blasphemy and falsehood.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyYou are going to Islamic antichrist site. Woe to you that have denied Jesus for Satan.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . John 8:44. You can’t have it both ways. (Although that never seems to stop you Christians from trying to.) On the one hand you quote The Qur’an where The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be upon him, says that he does not know his destinatio…See more
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyAccording to Quran only Christians are going to heaven ????Su…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . You are going to the psychiatric site for pathological delusion.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Only a Christian would interpret Surah 3:55 to mean that “Christians” are going to Heaven. This is a prime example of your pathological delusion. Explain to me how you see this verse as saying that you are going to Heaven.
Micah Samuel: Wesley Daughtrey ???
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreySurah 7:87…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . The “Father Of All Lies” takes the plain straight forward words of God, and then twists them to his own false and blasphemous meaning. Is this not what Satan did in Eden, when he took the commandment of God not to eat of The Tree Of Know…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . You poor fool. You think that Jesus, Peace be upon him, is a ”Christian”. Jesus was an Israelite, who believed in and followed The Law Of Moses, all the days of his life, and never, not once, departed from it. Prove this wrong if you ca…See more
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Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Furthermore, Isaiah 53 does not refer to Jesus. it is only your sad misinterpretation that would hijack it to mean your falsehood. Isaiah 53 is speaking about a person who is described in the first 3 verses. This person is not, and can…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . The person discribed in Isaiah 53:1-3, does not fit the description of Jesus. This is the general description of a “Believer”, who believes in God and His Prophets, and who is made to suffer at the hands of non-believers for his belief.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyYou are a worker of Satan. You have been deceived.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyTell me one prophecy from Mohammad.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyYou have never read bible in your life time you are interpreting my holy scriptures. You areMaking yourselves strong to get into hell.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyAll of revelation from Mohammad sounds like he is cooking up the story to fulfill his own sexual desires???
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Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel. The only thing greater than your ignorance is your stupidity. If you are the type of people who will be in your heaven, then I will thank God to send me to hell, for your heaven must be lower than the lowest part of the Hellfire.
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Isaiah 53:1: “Who has believed our report?And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”. The “report“ is the Revelation sent to Isaiah, and the “arm” of the Lord is the workings of the Lord, or God. So the question is asking what type of person will believe in the Message sent from God through His Prophet.
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyWhat a shame for you to believe that heaven is offered withVirgins by Allah.?? Islam is the most satanic and filthy thanA…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Isaiah 53:2 goes on to describe this person: “For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,And as a root out of dry ground.He has no form or comeliness;…See more
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyAnswer me do you believe that you get virgins in paradise?
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . Isaiah 53:3: “There is no beauty that we should desire Him.3 He is despised and rejected by men,A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief….See more
Micah Samuel: Wesley DaughtreyAnswer me do you believe that you get virgins in paradise?
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . These verse clearly describe the righteous man who believes in God, The Prophets Of God, and the Revealed Message sent from God through His Prophet. This chapter has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, Peace be upon him. This whole chap…See more
Wesley Daughtrey: Micah Samuel . I will humor your ignorance by answering your stupid question this way. Those who are Blessed and Granted Paradise from our Lord, and Master Allah, will receive that which they desire. For myself, I desire nearness to Allah, and to bask in The Light Of His Glory. This would be true Paradise and the Greatest Delight possible for man.